Sidhartha Chatterjee talks us through what it's like to be a Gatsby OSS maintainer, why you should do what you love, and how we maintain our mental health.
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Chris Biscardi: [00:00:00] Hello, welcome to the party corgi podcast. Today we have Sid with us did, is maintainer on the Gaspe open source project and a wonderful human being that I've worked with for a about a year now, I think, uh, said would you like to introduce yourself?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:00:17] Thank you for the late time. I, um, yeah, sure. I work with Gatsby part of the core team.
I live in India. Um, I like scuba diving and, um, I like dogs.
Chris Biscardi: [00:00:31] Well, who doesn't like dogs? Dogs are fantastic. Cool. So you work on Gatsby. What is Gatsby for you?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:00:42] Gatsby to me is, is, is a platform that's me, to me, is a brand new platform to build websites and build web apps in a cloud native way that is cheap to host, that is performing for your users.
And that is also easy to manage.
Chris Biscardi: [00:01:02] So I know that you use the, a couple of words there that people might not know. So there's cloud native and there's platform. Right. When you think of a platform and you think cloud native, what does that
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:01:12] mean? That's a great question. So with, um, with Gatsby, um, and, and you've owned this, cause you worked on Gatsby with us for wine though.
Um, but Gatsby, I think it began as a static site generator. But then over time you've seen with teams and with everything that they believe in Gatsby cloud, I think over time you've seen that Gatsby's so much more than just a static site generator. And the reason I call it a platform is because of just the fact that Gatsby lets you, you know, take your data from up from, from the content mesh is what we call the content machine.
Multiple different data sources. Let's you build websites that are possibly before and that consume all of that data and lets you pull, sit in a really cheap way. So that's why I think that's back from, I think it's, it's more than just. A static site generator more than just a compiler, but then it's, it's, it's really a brand new.
Readable.
Chris Biscardi: [00:02:14] Yeah. Fantastic. Um, how did you originally get involved in the Gatsby project?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:02:20] Oh, that's a, that's a funny question. Gatsby is actually the. First time I've ever done open source. Um, and the way I got in walled was, um, a friend that I'd worked with sometime last year had met Jason at a conference, um, I think the previous year, I'm not sure which conference it was, and, uh, the Gatsby Dean was looking.
Well, I mean the guests meetings looking for, for someone to come on. And, um, and it seemed like a great idea and a good opportunity. Cause I'd heard so much about Gatsby, you know, I was super excited to look with these people and, uh, that sounded sounded out. And, uh, a couple of weeks later they asked me, I liked this one, 14.
I said, yes. And it's been a, it's been a good six months.
Chris Biscardi: [00:03:08] Nice. So you say like a couple of weeks later they asked you to join the core team. What, what did you do in that first couple of weeks that, um, sort of got you from not being on the core team to being on the court team? Is there a lot of people out there that I think would, uh, especially the ones listening to this podcast
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:03:24] that
Chris Biscardi: [00:03:25] would like to become a maintainer of an opensource project at some point.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:03:34] So, I mean, I, I, I don't know what they were thinking. I guess I should ask them, but, uh, but for me, I guess in a way, because it was also new to me with respect to open source, I knew you know, where to stop. So then I saw an issue, for example, and it looked like a bug that was easy to fix and something I could reproduce.
I just went ahead and fixed it.
Chris Biscardi: [00:03:58] And,
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:03:59] and, and after having done that a couple of days, I realized that we, I, you know, I don't do all of that. I could just, you know, we'll still comment and move on. But I think that's one of the things that, that really liked. Um, and it just seemed natural to me because I've never done this before, so I didn't know, like I said, where to stop.
Um, so yeah, I guess going that extra mile sort of helped in that respect.
Chris Biscardi: [00:04:26] Uh, have you figured out where to stop these days? Like, obviously when just getting started and just getting into something, a lot of people love to jump in and they love to just keep going. And then, uh, sometimes people don't find where to stop.
Right? They don't find where to take breaks. Have you since found where to stop?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:04:45] Yeah, that's, you know, that's a good question because that's something that I think a lot of us struggled with and a lot of us especially, I mean, I, I, I'm a, I'm a high functioning and anxious individual myself. So, you know, I'm always sort of, you know, going the extra mile and I always want people to be pleased.
So this has always been something that I've studied with. But, uh, yeah Lydia have, I've, I, it's, it's a process through working on it, but, uh, I have learned when to say no, when to stop. Um, and how to balance things. And I think, uh, you know, Mike, uh, I manage it. Uh, you don't mind? Yeah. It gets me, he's, he's been, he's been super helpful because he's, he's always watching out and always telling me when to take a break and when and when to, you know, clear my schedule.
So I have, I mean, it's a process, but, um.
Chris Biscardi: [00:05:37] Yeah. It's definitely a process that we all sort of have to take into account and work with. Right. So Gatsby is this massive open source project, right? How does sort of, how high profile the project is affect you as a maintainer because you interact with. I don't know many, many hundreds of people, at least many tens of people each day at least.
But like you've interacted with hundreds of people so far, maybe even thousands. So how does that, uh, how does that affect you day to day?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:06:12] Um, I think, I think, you know, when I started out, it was scary cause, you know, I'd never done this before and I'd never, you know, I didn't know what it was to do open source or, you know, communicate with, like you said, hundreds of different people all the time.
Um, but I guess over time, um, one, it's been humbling. It's been humbling to see, uh, perspectives. And ideas, and, and you don't have discussions from people who are really all over the world. Um, that's been really humbling. And, um, secondly, it's also been, um, I think it's been, it's taught me a lot. It's taught me about empathy.
It's taught me about how to be pained me about how to be patient, uh, with respect to Gatsby being, you know, a high profile project. And then really thought about it like that because I think it will be good. Sam Gatsby is what it is because of the community and because of all the people that we interact with.
Um, I know that, I mean, there's definitely a sense of special knowing that. We have a lot of people using it day to day. Um, so there's definitely that aspect, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's humbling to know that stuff we work on day to day is something that so many people in the background.
Chris Biscardi: [00:07:26] Yeah. I think that, uh, in my own work on Gatsby, especially that sort of.
People are using my work and they're using it to get more done and they're using it to like get things done that they couldn't before is so rewarding. It's definitely part of how I, uh, how I think about open source
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:07:41] too. Yeah, absolutely.
Chris Biscardi: [00:07:44] So let's get into a couple of the sort of like code bases that you've done on Gatsby.
You've done a fair, a couple of like fairly impactful things, right? Other than just being a maintainer and like how high impact that is in general. Oh,
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:07:58] you're sweet. Thank you.
Chris Biscardi: [00:08:02] Let's talk about a use that a query. What does that, what does he use that aquarium? Why do we need it?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:08:08] You cycle back in vitamin perfection.
I can say, this was before I joined the Gatsby inc company before I joined the recording. Um, like I said, I was a contractor. I was , um, I remember hooks was, was. You know, everybody was really excited about hooks, um, back in February, March. Cause I think that's when the, they would about to, um, release the latest version.
If we act. We took support and, um, I remember a cup of bees, um, you know, died before the release. Pretty much every project and have women denied on everyone, on kudos. And everyone was talking about how every project was working towards, you know, building the next version with hook support. And, um, I, I, it was, it's actually funny cause I didn't really, you know.
Can get true, but I just started working on the use adequate API, which is basically a hoax enabled API to make queries in Gatsby. Um, on one fine evening of the work. And I think about, you know, a few hours later I had it looking. And yeah, that's about it. I didn't really think about much, uh, was looking at order, a cup of best sort of blog post.
And I think that was my first, um, sort of, you know, medium sized contribution Gatsby. Um, in terms of what it is, uh, you said liquidity is, so we've had, um, the static query component in Gatsby for awhile. Since we do and will, the static credit component does, is that it lets you make um, in Gatsby at any depth in any, the actually in any component.
Right. Um, and what you said liquidity is that it's a hoax version off that component. Um, and Virginia. It's just that it's actually really simple. It took me about an evening delay, but that was hugely popping up. People, I mean, people see like hooks. Uh, I've used it in fuck. Um, so, so that's what it was.
Chris Biscardi: [00:10:20] Yeah. I think it's really interesting that, uh, you sort of say that this, this wasn't a super complicated thing for you to do. It only took you a couple of hours, but it's having this sort of outsized impact. Right? Everybody I see in the Gaspe community these days uses use static query instead of the static query component.
And I don't know whether that's just because everybody's excited about hooks or not, or like, you know, they just took how excited you were and then thought and were like, Hey, this is great. And then started using it. Um, but yeah, it's a great example of how like something that you can do in a couple of hours, uh, as long as you have the distribution of an open source project like Gatsby and have such a massive impact on everybody for years.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:11:03] Absolutely. I mean, it's such a privilege to be able to work on something that's used continually by so many different people. And just the fact that that a PR or any little fix, I mean, put anything that we work on as a team, um, gets used and will likely be for years. Like you said, hopefully. Um, it's, I mean, it's, like I said, it's humbling.
It's, it's scary, but it's also a huge privilege.
Chris Biscardi: [00:11:28] Yeah. So bringing that back to sort of like interacting with the community, you've been sort of running the guests because that for awhile now, right. What is that? What's it like? Um, like, yeah, let's start with what is
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:11:45] it? Um, good question. The Gatsby Gazette is a, so the God speaks that started out as an led on Mike, Mike Allinson and the Gatsby Dean started the Gatsby cause they had some time last year.
And it started out as a smaller, lose that other aid. Um, so it was, it was, um, it was a get hub, teen beach. Uh, you know, with the teams on get hub, you can post, like you have a timeline sort of posts that you can make. So he was one every, I think, every week about, you know, what happened in Gatsby last week.
And, uh, so saddle rod is a small thing. And, um, the way I, um, but is that earlier this year I, um, I was talking to Mike on one to five weekly, one on ones, and I mentioned how I, I wanted to get better. . Yeah, long fall. And, and Mike suggested that maybe I should pick up the Gazette and, you know, uh, like conditional and, uh, that was, I mean, that was a good recommendation because six months later I've been writing it.
Um, you know, plus it was every week and now we do a monthly thing. Also now it's, it's a lot more than, you know, a newsletter that's also on gas SVGs log and people really like eating it, which is, you know, just, just clean. I love that.
Chris Biscardi: [00:13:06] Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about how, how it evolved over time? So you say that you got into it, just sort of write more, right.
And Mike sort of handed it off to you, gave you the opportunity to do that, which is great because I did a similar thing this year where I just started writing a lot more and it's been fantastic for me. I love that. So talk to me a little bit about how this newsletter or however you want to phrase it, as evolved over time since you started.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:13:32] Absolutely. Yeah, it has evolved. It started out with, so as I'm in Vienna, you know, you March, um, and the community is fantastic. They are opening, I mean, we've, we've been merging I think about a hundred hours a week consistently for a while now. And, uh, and that's a lot of big contributions. I mean, so many of these contributions are, um, you know, they don't get a blockbuster day.
Dave's really. Improve so much of Gatsby, um, that it's just, it's uni. It's hard to, you know, uh, you know, I, I, I, I don't even know who to thank, because there's, so we have about 2005.
Chris Biscardi: [00:14:14] Okay. I mean, you merge a hundred PRS a week. That's gotta be at least what, 2030 50 people
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:14:19] probably. Yeah, probably. It's incredible.
Right? So you know your module and you're active on an open source project and every week you look back at in. A couple of months, stick out. A couple of those really special contributions stick out. And I think with the Gazette, um, initially it used to be just this, you know, like I said, it's news that other would talk about, Hey, this is, these are the cool new things that happened in Gatsby us and thank you, all of you for doing that.
And here's a little bit about what we plan on doing next week. I think that's, that's what it started out and Mike was writing it. When I took it over. Uh, like I said, I wanted to, you know, I want to write more, but nothing I wanted to do is I wanted to use that platform to talk more about what seamless to me as well.
So, so suddenly it evolved from like, you know, eh, um, it's only the world from a set of the contributions from the community to contributions from the community, but also what the poor people. And then it was two metering features. So I do know I picked one of my coworkers and every week bug them to like a small paragraph about some new feature that they're working on
and one and I mean, everyone really. Um, and again, you know, my secrets all there was to get, you know, the theme that I wanted. So then, uh,
Chris Biscardi: [00:15:49] and,
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:15:50] and it worked because everyone loved doing it. And, uh, so with that, it evolved into the best contributions from the community. What the team is up to. He shows this brand new future that we sort of published and here is worked on it.
This is what they want to see. And then soon we had, you know, we had an showcase with the best Gatsby sites every week and the best Gatsby teens. Um, and, um, and yeah, I off that. Uh, I think at some point, Shannon, Diane mentioned that, Hey, this is, this is really valuable stuff. You know, this is the kind of stuff that everyone.
Then uses Gatsby would like to do it. So why don't you, you know, publish this on the blog. And I think that's when it evolved into a lot more than just something for integrators and get hub. And now it's a monthly, I do, you know, an installment every month. And it's, uh, usually, like I said, all the sections that we did previously, but now there's a theme of the month as well as the site of the month.
And there's, you know, we featured Marcy. Uh, Marcy Sutton, uh, in the last installment and a lot of her work accessibility. So yeah, it's, it's great. She's fantastic. So that's been fun. Awesome. I'm better at writing now and that's great.
Chris Biscardi: [00:17:08] Yeah, me too funny how that works. You write more and then you get better.
So you said that you sort of like went to people and, uh, sort of convinced them to talk about what they were doing. Uh, it's interesting because I feel like most of the guests team doesn't like blog or talk about what they're doing a lot, right? Like the themes team and John and things like that. Do a lot of blogging, do a lot of, Jackson does a lot of blogging, et cetera.
Um, but I feel like that's not necessarily true for everybody in open source or especially just people building features every day. Yeah. Uh, do you feel like it was hard to get people to start talking about what they were doing or were they excited when you came to them?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:17:51] I think it was, it was a mixed bag.
A couple of folks were super excited.
I mean, a couple of folks were already writing blog posts and features that they working like Dustin around. So they, you know, it was easier for them. Then a couple of us, uh, you know, me ward McConnell, we, we aren't typically, we, I mean, I, I don't think either of us have jobs. Um, so, uh, at least we didn't back then.
Um, and I know it was probably challenging for them the way it was for me. But, um, but in retrospect it was good that it did it. I think we also, and I also sort of tried to help them better, but I could make it more comfortable for them. But you're right, we don't write as much as we, I mean, we do like the, you know, the company writes 14 doesn't necessarily light as much as maybe we should.
Chris Biscardi: [00:18:47] Yeah. You mentioned that you, uh, first supported them in different ways as you were sort of requesting this from them. Can you talk a little bit about, uh, what you did to support
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:18:56] them? Just send them templates on how to structure. So, uh, you know, what the date or I help edit them after they're done writing them.
So a lot of us tend to be, uh, having 104 then do, you know, get paranoid or unsure about that phasing or that I'd wasted eight in some. Also, it was just, you know, helping them edit. Um, yeah. And again, besides that, there was a lot of moral support you should write about this. And, you know, people should know about the people behind these features and behind all of this.
Chris Biscardi: [00:19:41] Yeah. And I would, I would encourage anybody that is, uh. Out there doing work anywhere in the ecosystem. Uh, definitely start writing about it as well. And you say that it's sort of like, Oh, the regular stuff. I helped them with the regular stuff, but like a lot of people don't even know what the regular stuff is, so I really appreciate you putting a point on sort of like, Hey, you can give somebody a template if you need to.
Like. Help them along. You can give them moral support, obviously, right? Like, yeah, I say I should probably edit that out, but
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:20:13] yeah, a lot of obvious to us might not be a lot of people and it wasn't for me. Then I started out as Ben, so I think it's definitely valuable to sort of point people in the right direction, or just, you know, just tell them, even if it's just that.
Chris Biscardi: [00:20:32] So switching tacks a little bit, uh, what is your favorite are our favorite subsystem and Gaspe to work in.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:20:40] Hmm. That's an interesting question. Um, I think my favorite bottom gets the other paper sort of subsystem, as you say, would have to be each off QL data. They are, because I think a big part of what makes Gatsby as powerful as it is, is the fact that we support such a huge array of different data sources.
I think there's about 1200 plugins right now. I'm assuming maybe about. 10 or 15% of them are source logins. And that's a lot of different sources of data and the fact that we can consume all of those different sources, whether they're, you know, see a or your find system or Google docs and take all of that and make it accessible to the dev who's writing the ad code, we will consume.
That is super exciting. And I think, um, Mikhail, um, from the team has been doing some incredible work there. On the Gulf coast subsystem. Um, I'm super excited about where that's headed, and I guess that's the part that's sort of about Gatsby that excites me the most.
Chris Biscardi: [00:21:44] Nice. Yeah. I think Mikael's been doing a fantastic job on the data layer, for sure.
Um, you say you're excited about where it's going. Where do you think it's
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:21:52] going. So I think, um, Mikhail as over the past months, done some incredible work and, and, and one thing that I was, that I am particularly excited about has been his work on materialization. So, so far, um, in Gatsby when you have nodes would be referred to as nodes, um, internally, um, which is basically doing lots of data that is in, that is available, that Gatsby makes available to you in the data layer.
Um, these nodes, um. Previously, um, or still aren't actually by default. Um, they're saved in an readouts data stored in memory. And, um, we've had this alternative implementation using an database that has class indexing. Um, we've had that alternative limitation for awhile. But there's been a lot of sort of, um, there's been a lot of, I mean, it's safe to say that the alternative Toki jazz implementation hasn't usually been first-class and Mikayla's work on realization has been all about making them.
And the reason that's exciting is because that sort of prepares us to. Support a variety of different backends. And you know, I could probably see there being a mole DB backend. That's something I've been playing with. I could already see there being a, you know, dynamo leaning back in on, on AWS media. Um, and this is the kind of stuff that led us beyond what Gatsby's capable off today.
Chris Biscardi: [00:23:33] Yeah, definitely. I've heard, I've heard talk of doing SQL Lite database locally for whatnot, but like hearing about potentially, uh, potentially using remote databases for that kind of thing is really interesting because I assume that a lot of the node stuff goes into the catch, right? So a lot of the no's would just go into this database as sort of like this caching layer.
Uh, is that correct? Do you think that's right or,
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:23:58] yeah, that is connect. And here's the thing. A lot of that gets persisted in the cash, but so much of that utilization and VCU is expensive and B, not really optimized for access. Like, I mean, it's, it's, it's, you know, even though you have all of that data in.
The fastest. Um, and the moment you start building out, you know, indexing capabilities and, you know, uh, you know, uh, complicated, uh, uh, programs, et cetera, you're basically building a data. So then the question is, why not just use a Dino base that is optimized for that? Why not use a base that is already really fast and scale?
Chris Biscardi: [00:24:42] Yeah, that's absolutely fantastic. So earlier you said that, uh. You're sort of a high functioning, anxious person. Right. And what you were saying about that, about sort of like learning empathy and learning patients from the project, it really struck home for me because, um, I'm T I tend to be a very public person on the internet, right.
Um, but in person, I have a lot of social anxiety. Um, and the, the way that I behave on the internet is sort of like practice for me. So I practice being more of a social person. I practice being more comfortable, uh, with things like this, even, right? Like getting started on the podcast. Um, I don't know, whatever we started half an hour ago.
Um, I have a spike of anxiety when I start. Things like that. Right? So doing the more and more has sort of helped me, uh, be better at doing things like that. And I though that you've had your own, um. Variances on this topic. So I wanted to let you sort of talk about it a little bit.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:25:43] Sure. So I think, um, in fact, I think it's tough to be, is goes, it was a world mental health day.
I've also, you know, I've been very vocal about my mental health and things I've struggled with and I'm still struggling with on Twitter. And, um, you know, I, I mean, I, I think so. So one of the reasons I'm as woken about it as I am is because I want to normalize conversation about this so that more of us are confident.
Talk about it and get help if you need it. Um, mental health has been something, I mean, anxiety and depression have been things that I've been struggling with pretty much all my life now. And, uh, you know, that a few days and then that on, um, you know, the days. But, uh, but it's a process and I've, you know, I've been getting help and I, I just want to encourage everybody as down being.
Do a bell, you know, take care of yourself and, and, and not be afraid to talk about these things and to get help when you need it. Um, you know, and I, I just want to encourage folks to be able to, you know, go see a pedodontist or, or, you know, whatever you need really. Um, is it something that I was really afraid to do the longest time?
And it took a huge, huge amount of effort for me to get out of that, um, sort of block and actually go get help. And if anything that I do makes it easier for other people to get that help sooner, I think. Um, I think that's, you know, that's not really a set effort.
Chris Biscardi: [00:27:19] Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think that, um.
The impetus for me to go to see my own therapist, which I see regularly at this point, um, was that I got to a very low point in my own life. And, you know, it helps me out of that at the time. But also now I think of it as just the same thing as going to Lyft every day, right? I lift five days a week. I do physical exercise five days a week, and the way that I think about going to see a therapist is, is very similar, right?
It's maintenance on these things that we need to do our jobs well, need things that we need to do our lives well, right. And yeah, I would hop on that bandwagon and encourage anybody who feels like they might even think about wanting to see a therapist to go get over that hump. Um, even if you're scared, even if you are slightly not sure, uh, what it will turn into and go and just find somebody to talk
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:28:15] to.
Absolutely. And, and you know, I, I love my team. I mean, she's incredible. And, you know, we, I see her every week. And, um, you know, if anybody, anybody who's listening to this has questions or, um, you know, just wants to, you know, rubber dock, the idea of. Hey, should I, you know, should I go talk to somebody or, you know, what is the process going to be like?
Is this going to be skinny? You know, my M's on Trudeau and I, you know, I'd love to answer any questions you have. I'm sure Chris would as well. Um, so please, you know, please feel free to reach out to either of us and get any hurt that you need. Yeah. Fantastic.
Chris Biscardi: [00:28:58] Couldn't have said it better myself. And, uh, as did said, my DMS are also open if anybody needs to talk or anybody needs any advice on that, on that topic.
Um, cool. So one thing that I do want to touch on before we, uh, sort of wrap up here is talking about anxiety, talking about how, uh, how much pressure there is on this project. How do those two things interact, right? When you're working on the project day to day, or maybe you're seeing a bunch of people who are people who use the project in Gaspe days, London and things like that.
Um, how does this sort of intersection of anxiety and this world where you're talking to tens or hundreds of people a week, uh, interact.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:29:45] So I think that's an interesting question because, um, personally for me, I'm pretty, um, and I'm pretty, um. I mean, I'm, I'm most definitely not introverted. I love meeting people and love talking to people.
Um, and so it's been, it's been reasonably, um, you know, not soon for me talk to you folks on the time. Um, so honestly, work has been bad. The people I work with are fantastic. Supportive. So I, I mean, I, I haven't really experienced what I would say, um, what I would put in that intersection. But I know for some people, um, open source can get sort of anxiety in using just because of how public.
And while I don't personally feel like we, I, I completely empathize with people that do. Um, and I guess, um, like everything. Um, it gets easier with time, you know. Um. Yeah, just keep pushing a sense and keep doing it. And before you know it, like
Chris Biscardi: [00:30:50] yeah, I know that feeling where a third of you, you've been doing something for so long and you still feel so bad at it. And then you look back and you're like, Oh, but the thing that I was doing two years ago, or whatever is now super easy for me.
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:31:04] So
Chris Biscardi: [00:31:07] that is progress. You get better, and then the problems get dark, different or harder.
Cool. So. Outro here? Where can people find you? Where should they find you?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:31:21] Um, so I'm on, I'm on Twitter. My Twitter handle is chat pod, which is C, H, A, T, S, I, D, H, A R. T. H. A.
Chris Biscardi: [00:31:34] in the description here. Yeah,
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:31:37] that would, that would be nice. Besides, I'm pretty active on get hub on the Gatsby Depot, so if you're opening an issue or if you're opening up, you will see me.
Um, there's also the Gatsby, which is at Gatsby dot devs slash discord and you join that. Find me on it. I'm active a couple of hours a day.
Yeah.
Chris Biscardi: [00:32:03] Yeah. I think a pretty active on the Gatsby, uh, get hub repo is an understatement. Like you're one of the most active people I see on that repo, which is, uh, is there anything else you'd like to say before we wrap up?
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:32:19] Mmm. No, just, just, you don't do what makes you happy. Um, use Gatsby if you like. And, um, and yeah, I mean, yeah, go spend time with your family.
Chris Biscardi: [00:32:35] That's going to be the title of this podcast episode. Do what makes you happy. Sounds like a great, great,
Sidhartha Chatterjee: [00:32:43] that's good.